Comments on: Will SaaS Lead Open Source to Extinction? http://www.panorama.com/blog/2009/09/will-saas-lead-open-source-to-extinction/ Making businesses better - not just better informed Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:46:15 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: business intelligence software http://www.panorama.com/blog/2009/09/will-saas-lead-open-source-to-extinction/comment-page-1/#comment-10375 business intelligence software Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:01:45 +0000 http://www.panorama.com/blog/?p=288#comment-10375 cloud computing and Saas will surely take the first position and left open source BI left behind in near future. cloud computing and Saas will surely take the first position and left open source BI left behind in near future.

]]> By: James Dixon http://www.panorama.com/blog/2009/09/will-saas-lead-open-source-to-extinction/comment-page-1/#comment-6450 James Dixon Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:25:58 +0000 http://www.panorama.com/blog/?p=288#comment-6450 You say that 'We have a large % of people that search for Panorama BI, Panorama Microsoft, Panorama SQL Server, Panorama SaaS'. According to Google trends those searches, when combined together, total about 2% of the searches for Pentaho. If those searches make up a 'large %' for you, your stats are very weak indeed. James Dixon, Pentaho You say that ‘We have a large % of people that search for Panorama BI, Panorama Microsoft, Panorama SQL Server, Panorama SaaS’.

According to Google trends those searches, when combined together, total about 2% of the searches for Pentaho. If those searches make up a ‘large %’ for you, your stats are very weak indeed.

James Dixon, Pentaho

]]> By: James Dixon http://www.panorama.com/blog/2009/09/will-saas-lead-open-source-to-extinction/comment-page-1/#comment-6449 James Dixon Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:11:29 +0000 http://www.panorama.com/blog/?p=288#comment-6449 I could point out many flaws in this post but instead I'll ask a question: How many SaaS BI vendors went out of business this year, compared with the number of open source BI companies that went out of business? James Dixon, Pentaho I could point out many flaws in this post but instead I’ll ask a question:

How many SaaS BI vendors went out of business this year, compared with the number of open source BI companies that went out of business?

James Dixon, Pentaho

]]> By: Oudi Antebi http://www.panorama.com/blog/2009/09/will-saas-lead-open-source-to-extinction/comment-page-1/#comment-6422 Oudi Antebi Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:30:30 +0000 http://www.panorama.com/blog/?p=288#comment-6422 I welcome the debate Lance. This post gives our personal belief and point of view. we appreciate your different opinion. The Google Search link that you posted though does not reflect at all searches that relate to panorama. We have a large % of people that search for Panorama BI, Panorama Microsoft, Panorama SQL Server, Panorama SaaS so just taking Panorama Software doesn\\\'t reflect. I welcome the debate Lance.

This post gives our personal belief and point of view. we appreciate your different opinion.

The Google Search link that you posted though does not reflect at all searches that relate to panorama. We have a large % of people that search for Panorama BI, Panorama Microsoft, Panorama SQL Server, Panorama SaaS so just taking Panorama Software doesn\\\’t reflect.

]]> By: Lance Walter http://www.panorama.com/blog/2009/09/will-saas-lead-open-source-to-extinction/comment-page-1/#comment-6392 Lance Walter Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:53:12 +0000 http://www.panorama.com/blog/?p=288#comment-6392 Your post is lazy, and badly under-informed. I should preface this by saying that I won't be drawn into a debate framed as "SaaS BI *versus* open source BI" since it's a false premise that assumes that one will "win" over the other. Reality is that SaaS BI and on-premise BI both have their place, and users of open source and closed source BI will get both via SaaS or on-prem models depending on their need. But some facts are required in this discussion. "Heavy strain" on open source BI software? "losing steam"? Checking Google Trends, comparing my company, Pentaho, to Panorama Software, based on search volume. Note the trend lines. Unfortunately, you can't compare searches on "open source BI" to searches on "SaaS BI" because Google hasn't registered enough searches on "SaaS BI" to even have data (yet). http://tinyurl.com/mlrgfq Website traffic. Pentaho appears to be running steadily at about 3X-10X Panorama's unique visitors on a monthly basis. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/pentaho.com+panorama.com/ Here's a survey published in Intelligent Enterprise on attitudes towards open source, SaaS, etc. I think SaaS usage will continue to grow and am not anti-SaaS, especially given how many of our customers are SaaS companies who deliver integrated, SaaS BI using our open source BI technology, but the survey shows more adoption of open source than SaaS. It's not conclusive "proof" of anything, but at least it's some actual *data* relevant to the discussion. http://bit.ly/KmFI If you do have any valid third-party data suggesting that SaaS BI is specifically growing [at the expense of open source BI], you should have used it in your post. Do your homework next time, and don't underestimate how much opportunity SaaS BI and open source BI have to reach new users, and disrupt the large mainstream of the BI market. Debating "SaaS BI [VS] open source BI" takes two overlapping models (meaning that they're not mutually exclusive) that imho both have tremendous go-forward market opportunity and pretends that success for either occurs at the other's expense. -Lance Walter Pentaho Corporation Your post is lazy, and badly under-informed. I should preface this by saying that I won’t be drawn into a debate framed as “SaaS BI *versus* open source BI” since it’s a false premise that assumes that one will “win” over the other. Reality is that SaaS BI and on-premise BI both have their place, and users of open source and closed source BI will get both via SaaS or on-prem models depending on their need.

But some facts are required in this discussion. “Heavy strain” on open source BI software? “losing steam”?

Checking Google Trends, comparing my company, Pentaho, to Panorama Software, based on search volume. Note the trend lines. Unfortunately, you can’t compare searches on “open source BI” to searches on “SaaS BI” because Google hasn’t registered enough searches on “SaaS BI” to even have data (yet).

http://tinyurl.com/mlrgfq

Website traffic. Pentaho appears to be running steadily at about 3X-10X Panorama’s unique visitors on a monthly basis.

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/pentaho.com+panorama.com/

Here’s a survey published in Intelligent Enterprise on attitudes towards open source, SaaS, etc. I think SaaS usage will continue to grow and am not anti-SaaS, especially given how many of our customers are SaaS companies who deliver integrated, SaaS BI using our open source BI technology, but the survey shows more adoption of open source than SaaS. It’s not conclusive “proof” of anything, but at least it’s some actual *data* relevant to the discussion.

http://bit.ly/KmFI

If you do have any valid third-party data suggesting that SaaS BI is specifically growing [at the expense of open source BI], you should have used it in your post. Do your homework next time, and don’t underestimate how much opportunity SaaS BI and open source BI have to reach new users, and disrupt the large mainstream of the BI market. Debating “SaaS BI [VS] open source BI” takes two overlapping models (meaning that they’re not mutually exclusive) that imho both have tremendous go-forward market opportunity and pretends that success for either occurs at the other’s expense.

-Lance Walter
Pentaho Corporation

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